Speaker 1: 0:01

Hello, this is Blair Stanislao with the Happy Lion Center. Welcome to our podcast, mystical and Infamous, where we have playful and easy conversations about anything mystical, getting to the heart of all things, strange and weird. Join us in a bit of magical tomfoolery, spreading the alchemy of love and light. And now we invite you to enjoy the show and light. And now we invite you to enjoy the show. It's been my experience so far that stepping into self-realization is a process and it's an ongoing process. What is your, because you're so experienced at doing all of this with so many people? What is your experience with not only people's expectations of what really connecting or bringing the spirit world into the physical experience is versus the way that it actually pans out in quote, reality?

Speaker 2: 1:02

well, given that we do create our experiences through our belief systems and our emotional makeup and we do have a pre-designed soul path, in a sense of what we, as far as learning lessons or as far as earth, experiences we how shall we say? We pre-designed it before we came in. But of course our soul design is always subject to change, obviously. So I'm not setting a scone should change obviously something not set in scone. But you know when people advertise and promote about instantaneous and then you fill in the blank yeah it really doesn't work that way, in a sense of how they market, uh, that idea or concept.

Speaker 2: 2:06

Think of it this way. And everything is an evolution. Everything is growing, expanding learning, maybe unlearning, relearning. So if that's true, if you, for reason, decide to go from step A to step M without including all the other steps in between, I don't think that's possible. And even if you did do that, it might be overwhelming to your physical body and your brain. Think of it energetically. So my experience has been, and not to say that it's everybody's experience, but life is a process. We learn every year about a whole lot of things and we mature. So think of it this way every year about a whole lot of things and we mature. So think of it this way. Can you teach a baby that's six months old algebra? Probably not possible.

Speaker 1: 3:15

Right.

Speaker 2: 3:16

Right, because the brain is not developed to handle that information, for one thing. So think about this way People are immature energetically and spiritually but they try to like have it all now, raise a kundalini and whatnot, maybe blow out their brain or have a stroke or something. Not a good idea. The point is is that if we consciously intend, through our prayers every day, to master the next step that's in our life, we can't go wrong, because the only thing you can do anyway is take the next step. I've had people in the past come and say Kenji, I want it all. You know meaning, like give me the enlightened experience, give me the full thing, right? And I would say well, I don't know if you really want to do that, because your brain might not be able to handle that information and we'd go into overload and you would probably implode or explode. But you could always take your next step. So that's my sense.

Speaker 1: 4:29

Yeah, would you say that, like when we're meditating or whatever whatever word you want to use for it when we're in the zone that we do get glimpses of what that is, and of course it's in small chunks, and then you come back to whatever your actual physical reality is. So in a sense, that's kind of preparing you for what is to come. So it's energetically preparing you for that.

Speaker 2: 5:00

Yes, exactly, that's common sense. Right, you have to spin food a baby you can't shove a whole meal down a baby's throat right, the baby has to learn how to chew and swallow and digest and everything. And you know, when people market and promote about instant manifestation, well, I like to use analogy of someone that wants to become an athlete. Well, they have to start a regimen, right, they have to get on the right kind of diet. They have to do psychological preparation. They have to physically start a regimen that build up the muscles to train the muscles, to train the body, mind in their sport that they want to, you know, participate in so same thing energetically. We have to build up our energetic muscles to be able to handle these higher states.

Speaker 2: 6:07

Yes, so we get glimpses of what could be. But also, you know, we have to create the, tell it technically, we have to create the channels to be clear. Like your kundalini channels have to be clear, your chakra channels have to be clear. The how shall we say? The nadis in your aura, your field have to be clear, because if you try to bring in this intense vibration and you have distortions and blocks in your field, obviously, right, it's going to hurt. This may be painful. Things will come up in your body that will be very weird and strange.

Speaker 2: 6:47

Maybe medical conditions or psychiatric conditions symptoms yeah so it's always obviously good to prepare, no matter what you do in life. It's it's important to build the foundation, like Jesus says Build your house on a strong foundation so when the storm comes, your house won't get washed away. So how many people do you know that have become kind of airy-fairy because you know, like they tapped into the upper atmosphere, so to speak, but lack the grounding and the stability and the centeredness of the body and earth life?

Speaker 1: 7:32

That's a super interesting question because actually I just mentioned this yesterday.

Speaker 1: 7:37

You know there are people in our line of work that they are very articulate and they're experienced at talking about this stuff. But yet you can also see and I don't know if I'm correct in this, I would love to have your input on it but you can also see that the ego and the mind are very much still in the way, and so what I typically sense from those people is that and I'm sure I'm one of them, right, I'm not exempting myself from that but I typically notice that either the mind or the ego or the belief systems cause I like to call it congestions where energy may come in, but then all of a sudden it gets. You know, there's a, there's a sticky point where it doesn't flow through, because when it flows through it feels more like I don't know, kind of like when you walk out in the sun and it's like all of a sudden, everything is warm and all of it. You know you can breathe and it all makes kind of. It all makes sense, because it does also go with the mind as well.

Speaker 2: 8:48

But I would say that the majority of people Really thing, are these teachers, these prophets of the new age, so to speak? A little comedy, team insertion there, team in search in there. So are they teaching from experience or are they teaching from book knowledge and video viewing and, uh, listening to other people, uh, from what other people have said in retreats and workshops? See, that's, that's the difference. Are they teaching from still the mental body or are they teaching from direct experience?

Speaker 1: 9:28

Right and the ones that come from direct experience. Even if they have as they do, because they're here right, they still have an ego, they still have the mind. It feels like this very healthy acknowledgement of and respect for that part of them and um, and because they have distanced themselves enough from that, the conversations don't get stuck on that part does or doesn't?

Speaker 1: 9:57

does not yeah I mean, it may, it may go by that and we may experience that, but there's typically with those kind of people, it's usually there's an acknowledgement that oh well, that might be my ego talking or you know something to that effect, and then you just kind of, then you understand, it's just this, a human presentation of this energy.

Speaker 2: 10:17

Well, let me see here, I got to make an adjustment here. Here's the thing with let me see, okay, I think that's good. Let me see, okay, I think that's good. Are you in service to self or others? That's another question. When you're teaching and you probably notice this, I didn't notice it up until the so-called lockdown, and then things started to rise in the collective right, people's unconscious plus their gifts, I mean the whole thing, right, I didn't know really what narcissism was until I started watching videos and other things and I go, wow, so that's what that is, and that's all about me. Hollywood types, certain spiritual types, people that are famous, people that have money, people that have power Never understood it, but I can see it now. Now, but I didn't know what it was before. But that's an interesting phenomenon, right?

Speaker 1: 11:31

is that you've? You're saying that, uh, when covet happened, that, uh, you started to notice that more in the, in the, just the people you were interacting with just general, including the spiritual movement.

Speaker 2: 11:45

You know people that are on TV, people that are in movies. I think it's very interesting. But again, I think the question goes back to are you serving yourself or are you in service for others? I've always known that I wanted to learn and teach healing work, for lack of a better term. This was back in when I was a teenager, actually, so this goes to 1960s.

Speaker 2: 12:15

But I didn't know how it would come about. I didn't know the form, I just knew that I was fascinated with the esoteric teachings of Jesus, not what you read in the Bible, because I knew that. I knew that what really is in the Bible is very distorted. So where are his teachings right? So then we have the scrolls and all that stuff right, and the Essene teachings. They give a little more insight into that and, like, how did Buddha attain what he attained? How did he do that? These were fascinating subjects to me as I was growing up. So that was kind of my search, my search for, uh, the meaning of Jesus, well, what he represented, and like what Buddha represented, because I always felt I could blend the east and the west traditions together somehow, you know, synthesize the spiritual teachings of the east, like they came out of india and the himalayas and northern china, uh, taoism, uh, and blend it with the esoteric Western thought, not so much Christianity, but like Greek philosophy and like Plato's teachings and Socrates Fascinating.

Speaker 1: 13:33

And did you find that calling partially because you came from the Western environment, where that kind of approach was more acceptable, or do you feel like you were really driven to that because it's something that's of interest to you?

Speaker 2: 13:50

well, I think it's part of my calling, it was part of my soul makeup, so it's not something that I had to decide. Oh yeah, I want to study this. It was like over there as an urge, you know, like an urge, like like you can't deny it. It's like you can feel it in your body. Yeah, that kind of force, I guess. So I went into philosophy my first year in college and I loved it.

Speaker 2: 14:14

I had this philosophy teacher that never gave A's. That was a rumor. He never gave A's and his classes was always like five students, six students, which was true, because I took four of his classes and they're like my five students in the whole class, right, which could easily be 20 or more, and I got A's. So that showed me something about my, my interest, my innate interest in, in and kind of like everything from like New Zealand, the Maori and the Aborigines in Australia all the way up through like the Eastern Indian, maybe even pre-Buddhist thought to contemporary thought. That's fascinating. But I knew I couldn't earn a living being a philosophy teacher. Let's say, or you know, getting a degree in philosophy, like a PhD in philosophy. Well, what's that going to get you? What kind of a job can they get you, so I gave that up, you know, as far as a degree focus.

Speaker 1: 15:33

So you have enjoyed pulling in the different presentations. Would you say that it's really different presentations of the same kind of idea or ideas Like I feel like if you look at and of course I don't think I'm nearly as experienced as you are in terms of looking at the history of different spiritual experiences, but of the ones that I have been involved with what I have noticed there is, if you look beyond the words, you look beyond the human presenting the information and you really look at what the information, the essence of what they're trying to say, so not cloaked in the ego, let's say, or in the mind or in the construct of the society in which it was created, you see something very similar all throughout all of the civilizations who come up with these spiritual teachings. I haven't studied the Tao in great depth, but what I've studied of the Tao boom that was. I just loved it. I was like, oh yeah, that is spot on. Talk about not wasting energy with words or any of that other stuff. You can just get straight to it.

Speaker 2: 16:39

Yeah, I would say, as an organized body of thought, taoism comes closest to the simplicity of what is and can be. Yeah, plus, it's very beautiful in a poetic sense, in a visual sense of how art and sculpture manifests through that particular thought perspective. Yeah, it's very beautiful. I've always been attracted to Zen in the sense of it gets to the essence of stuff, yeah, and doesn't even include the clutter of Western contemporary mental body thought in a sense. So, yeah, if we were talking about, like, what's the closest thing to the essence, that to me would be it. And yes or no to your question.

Speaker 2: 17:42

Here's the thing who teaches and I think this is important because I think the lockdown brought this up regarding, like, what is what is true? What is true right now for everybody on this planet? And everybody's got an opinion about everything, right, and not a lot of people can agree, A lot of people can disagree, as you can see, and some people don't care and some people really care. But what perspective teaches about how to discern the truth so that you know who you are in in essence, which would mean, then, you know what you are and how you are serving and your purpose given, given that the idea is that when one fully connects to the essence of self, then everything is given, like that biblical saying seek ye first the kingdom, and all things shall be given to thee. I always resonated with that as a young kid. Not too many stuff from the church, but that was one of them and the golden rule of course.

Speaker 1: 19:03

I thought, yeah, everybody should do that, then we wouldn't have any wars so what you're saying is um well, actually I'm doing a master class on this this week um, I call that the true self. I think to the essence of that, which is the oneness right yeah um, so would you say that most um spiritual paths, essentially, are aiming to reach that true self well, yeah, each religious spiritual path is an attempt.

Speaker 2: 19:41

Yeah, like yoga. What is the difference? Yoga, it's union with all. That is right. You can't get any more complicated than that. I mean, that's pretty simple, right. That that's the. The goal of yoga is union with god or union with creation. But how many yoga teachers really teach that from an experiential point of view? I don't hear of uh, of that, I've not heard of that. Sure, anybody can teach. Okay, do this pose, breathe now, bring your focus here, let go of this and all that.

Speaker 1: 20:23

But super okay. That's really interesting to me because I I totally agree with you. So my answer to that first question was um, first off, I'm not involved with a lot of yoga people, but what I have understood is that if they come to that understanding, it's almost by accident in a way it's unplanned, but then, as you describe that, it's more like okay, well, right, you're training all these yoga teachers to spread all this stuff.

Speaker 1: 20:54

Well, they need something physical to do, right, but to teach the essence of how do you connect to that oneness, right you connect to, how do you connect to that oneness right in that avenue it's physical movement or breathing techniques or whatever all the rest yoga is right, which is involved in every well, you know, I think it goes deeper than that.

Speaker 2: 21:17

I think it is where you put your attention oh yeah right, yeah, beyond, okay, I'm going to do the sunrise pose now, or or I'm going to go into a full lotus position. Here it is, it's beyond that and it's even beyond the breath. All of that are like little pieces, tools to like prepare the state yeah. Yeah, I've noticed this with practitioners of any kind of healing modality their focus, primarily, is still on the technique and not on the essence of what the technique can support and produce, in a sense.

Speaker 1: 22:07

And I think that, personally, I think that's the difference between programs like yours and the intention with the program like mine is that it's not the program itself. Yes, it has a container. Yes, we, you know, maybe we agree to meet at a certain time, we're doing something specific. Maybe it's physical, maybe it's not, you know, maybe we agree to meet at a certain time, we're doing something specific. Maybe it's physical, maybe it's not, you know. But, and though, like you said, those are tools, but they're tools to get to this place.

Speaker 1: 22:32

You know I'm using the word recognition or reconnect, or, you know, that's not even the right word. It's like almost alignment or something that's a way to almost open your eyes, not your physical eyes, but open your awareness, to recognize the connection, and that's the thing that we're all searching for. And you can't say that there's only one path and you can't say that this is the right path and that's not the right path, and so then it becomes very confusing, I think, for a lot of us who are of the 3d that's why I like the dallas idea.

Speaker 2: 23:10

Right, there's no path. There's no path, carry wood, chop water okay right, just live, right yeah and after your lightning experience, continue to do the same right so.

Speaker 1: 23:24

So in that vein, okay, so we're all whether it's kind of ironic to me that you know somebody listening to this might be on the path to try and get to this attainment of oneness and awakening, or what have you. They still have to carry wood chop water, just like everybody does have to carry wood chop water, just like everybody does. And what I am most curious about right now is what, in your experience, has been for people who are going along that path. They carry wood chop water. How is the carry wood chop water part different for somebody who's going along that path versus somebody who isn't really awake?

Speaker 2: 24:07

I guess okay, one path contains a lot of joy and peace and harmony, and the other path contains a lot of stress and worry yeah, so they're happier in general well, yeah, well, you, from your experience, from the work when you're in the quantum, the zone, well, there's no thoughts, there's no pain, there's no fear, right?

Speaker 2: 24:32

right, yeah, yeah and, as we say, that's your natural state, spiritually speaking. And then what about the idea of embodying that frequency or vibration or consciousness in your body which has never been done before in a collective way? And that's a challenge because, as you know, people that don't have a lot of physical support in doing their spiritual trip is it becomes very difficult, in a sense, physical support in doing their spiritual trip is it becomes?

Speaker 2: 25:07

very difficult. In a sense, you feel alone and and, uh, you know you wish you had more tribe around you and stuff.

Speaker 1: 25:13

But maybe that's the challenge, maybe it is standing alone, in a sense, in this field in the midst of the storm well, I would argue to say that, much like people are called it, call it the dark night of the soul, I think the people who are oftentimes driven along this path are essentially they wind up finding themselves in that predicament that you're describing. They feel alone, they don't have support. It becomes very difficult, but yet there's some sort of drive, like you're talking about, your pull to continue on this path, and it's almost I mean, it's very similar to this idea of digging your heels in right.

Speaker 1: 25:56

Yeah, and just saying you know, like for me I just knew this quote reality that the world was presenting to me just simply could not be right yeah, there's something wrong with this picture.

Speaker 1: 26:08

Wait a minute, I'm gonna change the channel here yeah, that's exactly what I wanted to do, but for me it wasn't even just that, it was also physical. It was not only physical in my body, but it was also physically around me and um, and basically that, that that other path that you're talking about, which is filled with stress and discomfort, and all of that stuff. I was just so fed up with that I just, you know, like the almost the body, or the mental mind or the emotional body or whatever all of that just gets tired and says you know what, I don't need that anymore. It doesn't matter my circumstances, I'm going to find a way out, and, and, and, and. I feel like that oftentimes, which I think that's why we have these circumstances, and I've been told before that you know, people who become healers or what have you, oftentimes have these traumatic lives so that they, they are forced to go there.

Speaker 2: 27:03

That's again the old Piscean perspective. So we're in the Aquarian astrological field. Now, right, we've moved on the Piscean field of learning through pain and suffering, learning through friction. The Aquarian vibration is very different to that. The Aquarian vibration is very different to that. So, yes, we can still have traumatic events that wake us up. We could have continual dark night of the soul, midlife crisis, existential crisis. Saturn returns, near-death experiences.

Speaker 1: 27:43

We could have all of that, or we can learn through joy yeah, and I definitely feel you with children, that I have my children and the young people of today. They can see the pain of the past and they're like no thanks yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a very different learning experience.

Speaker 2: 28:05

Right, learning through joy. Still have the challenges, not like not going to have any challenges, but would you rather go through it with struggle and a lot of worry or go through it with a lot of harmony and balance, peace and calm and steady focus?

Speaker 1: 28:25

what's interesting? You say that because I I observed, so I was a teacher for a while school teacher yeah, school teacher, and my mother was a school teacher too, so I saw them like, um, you know, as a child, as best a child could you even having a parent?

Speaker 1: 28:41

that way you see the shifts and the generations, like the classes that go through yeah um, so, and then as I become a teacher, I see the same thing as I'm just teaching I think I talked for a little over nine years but um, and then noticing my own children as they come into the stage where we can kind of really notice what they're really evolving into is, uh, and honestly, I, I think older generations which probably has to do with the Piscean, you know, perspective that you're talking about the older generations tend to be frustrated at the younger ones who are like, yeah, no, thank you. I mean, it goes down to having a conversation with somebody about my daughter's outfit for something that was like an interview, and this person was telling her you know, what is it? What is the kind of outfit you should be wearing? What kind of clothing should you be wearing?

Speaker 1: 29:33

And I don't completely disagree with this person, but I also know my daughter enough and I also know myself enough to know I'm not going to have that discussion with her because she's not going to do that, she doesn't want to do that, it's yes. Um, why would I push her to do it? Because, guess what, I hated it too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And why?

Speaker 2: 29:55

not have a better experience. You know, you still see, even in the spiritual community, because it's like a collective consciousness mindset You're supposed to wear certain clothes and colors when you go on TV, when you play sports, you're supposed to act a certain way, scream a certain way, yell a certain way, behave a certain way, because that's what's expected, because that's what everybody else does. So, across the board, I still see people in, entangled in in old collective thought forms that how shall we say? Uh, are still influential. And you look at social media and the influences there, right? So?

Speaker 2: 30:45

So if we're getting to talk about sovereignty and really how to be free, not only in this world but in the other worlds, we can't be influenced by influencers of any kind, be it spiritual, social media, political, political media, media, especially anything that disseminates information to the public, basically. So what I'm seeing is a lack of creative freedom. I'm, you gotta wear black and you gotta women, you've gotta wear man's suit and you gotta be all black so that you're cool and you're powerful and you know what you're doing, as opposed to other colors that are, to me, are more colorful and creative, but but let's just say that. So black's become very. Oh, you gotta buy a black car for sure, man. So you're really cool because that that represents power and money.

Speaker 1: 31:54

Okay yeah, which is like this. It's just total garbage to me, just like I don't know. I I totally understand where you're coming from, so I'm I'm curious again. I want to go back to this for the people who are on the path to be seeking this awake, let's just call it awakening.

Speaker 2: 32:17

I don't know what, I don't even that's a good term, yeah, so awakening.

Speaker 1: 32:26

They're on the path to this thing, at least in my practice, and I, you know, I've been in your group for a while, so I I feel like we're on the same page with this, but it's not like a destination, and it sure is not like somebody else is actually gonna give you the magic pill or button.

Speaker 2: 32:44

Oh, what no magic pill, Really? Oh, I was looking for the carrot, you know the magic carrot.

Speaker 1: 32:51

Yeah, I mean, yeah, something like that, right, like there's some sort of magic thing that all of a sudden this happens really fast, and of course then you're completely adjusted, which we've addressed that it doesn't really happen like that. But I feel like there's a disconnect between this. Maybe they're getting the vision, maybe they're getting premonitions of what it is to be awakened, but then I feel like maybe we tend, as a humanness, we tend to skip over the value of the process, because the end result is not as wonderful if you don't experience the process itself.

Speaker 2: 33:37

This might be a relevant example People that take plant medicine and they have an experience. Everybody I've talked to has had a profound plant experience that they did that path. There's been anyone I talked to go and it was okay, didn't experience much. They all had an experience that changed their lives. But here's a question and argue that is synthetic, uh experience, so it's not really real. You know, it's like artificial versus if you, through your own efforts, in a sense produce that experience on your own ascent. But we're not talking about that. But so the question would be all right. So are they? So they have this cosmic experience or this experience with the spirit of the plant or the universe? Are they being taught or supported, or even, uh, how should I say? Uh well, are they integrating that experience in their daily life here on the earth plane?

Speaker 2: 34:50

yes are they making it real for the body to to how shall I say, uh, vibrate at a higher frequency, because that's what we're moving into, right higher frequencies.

Speaker 1: 35:02

So that would be the question yeah, that that's a conversation that occurs, or it hasn't occurred in a while, but it has occurred in our group where, um, it's exactly that, okay, that's nice that you had that experience, yes, you now, now you have a glimpse of it. But what are you doing with that? And that's really I don't know. I know that it's my focus, but I don't know that it's everybody's focus, but it really to me, that seems so utterly important. It's not just attaining or being aware of this enlightened state, it's more like okay, so how does that change the way you experience the world? Right, yeah, so what do you, um, say for people who are ready? Let's say they've experienced that, they've touched it, they, they're you know, they're all the time, but they feel it.

Speaker 1: 35:54

What is your experience with bringing that into the world? As somebody is learning to do that Like, what are the most important things for somebody to understand about the process of bringing that awakening, that awakened experience into their everyday life?

Speaker 2: 36:14

Well, first, that has to be an intention of theirs, right To do that. Then to be open to embodying that, which means then, self-work, right? So what are my blocks, what are my resistance to being an embodied Christ's presence on the earth? I'm not talking about religion, but crisis awareness, meaning that field of of unconditional love and oneness and joy and peace and all that right. So it doesn't have a connection with religion at all, or even a spiritual path, for that matter.

Speaker 2: 36:54

So what are my resistance, my doubts? Uh, any traumas that are related to blockages in my field that would prevent that. So they have to look at like, okay, where are my doubts, where are my fears? Basically, so doubts and fears are like a brother and sister act. They are that like the essence. When you get to those two and you become aware of all of that that is in your field, then you're good to go. So think about this If you didn't have any doubt about anything and you were fearless, what is there left? Right, there's no resistance left. You'd be free Energetically, you'd be a clear channel. If you were fearless, that means no anxiety, because anxiety comes from fear and worry and you had no doubts about yourself, who you are what you are and what you're doing.

Speaker 1: 38:03

Good to go, in my opinion. So, then, living you're saying that living from that space is really more of the physical manifestation or the physical presentation of bringing the spiritually aware experience into your life.

Speaker 2: 38:15

Okay, let's put it. Yeah, let's put it this way. So, if there is no fear and doubt in the mind, and then that allows your spirit, your cosmic soul, to be, uh, naturally aligned with, uh, your emotional makeup, which is part of your passion and your inspiration, then there's a free flow of creation right that's how I see it.

Speaker 2: 38:47

So, in other words, if we choose to become self-aware, which means awake, or enlightened in light, and in light men using play on words, in, in. So if you go in, I am light, l-h-h-t men, m-e-n instead of the usual enlightenment, you see, you kind of got a thing of oh men, which also means women yeah, the light is in.

Speaker 2: 39:19

Yeah, okay I sometimes play with words yeah that sound the same, maybe not spelled the same, but yeah, but anyway. So, getting back, I think what yeshua tried to exemplify in the 40, the so-called 40 days and nights in the desert, in the wilderness, where he confronted all of his fears, doubts and uncertainties, he did. He wasn't perfect. He mirrored the human condition in the sense of the human makeup, condition in the sense of the human makeup, but he taught himself and he was given guidance on how to clear his field every day, so he didn't take his stuff into the dream time at night when he was sleeping, so to speak, but anyway. So those 40 days and nights in the desert was really about him finishing up with any lingering self-doubts about his mission. Now, what comes after that? Historically? This is where I would get a lot of argument. But let's just say, from the time of his desert experience and his unknown years, he went and traveled and studied with all the masters pretty much on the planet at that time by located or he walked really fast. He went to a lot of different countries and studied esoterically with the masters and was able to connect with his akashic records, the collective akashic records, um his divine purpose in that lifetime, up to the point of him being betrayed by the so-called judas character. Uh, I don't want to speak what happens after that, because that's not my experience and so therefore, probably a lot of people would argue with what I would say after that point. But we're not going to go past that, at least today. But the whole his life was nothing but symbology for us to rock in a sense. Well, what really is the meaning of all that? The Sermon on the Mount, what really was that? The Descent of the Dove and the Light what was that all about? The resurrection part, all of that. The transfiguration, all of that what was all that about? All of that, the transfiguration, all of that, what was all that about? So if you look at allegory, you look at, probably like Islam, the allegory of Islam and the Buddhist texts. It's really supposed to be allegories and symbols that would stimulate your idea of like.

Speaker 2: 42:16

All right, how do you wake up? Well, wait a minute, how are we asleep in the first place? Tell me about that, right. How did I fall asleep so that I have to wake up? I don't even know that story. Well, so in the literature, way back in the literature, I forget what religion in a sense. Uh, I remember this from like 40 years ago. You know certain things you remember because you need to remember these little tidbits for like later on. So it was said that a great spell came upon the earth and I could literally see this energy coming upon the earth and putting people to sleep, like in this kind of hypnotic, negative hypnotic state right, and people fell asleep. So we are choosing to wake up from that sleep because being asleep is too painful now, as you talked about, it's too painful. Life is too hard. Being asleep's got to shift right somehow. I've got to wake up or I've got to, like, see things with new eyes or a new brain yeah, and for me, I like I just I had great difficulty.

Speaker 1: 43:38

You know, for me, for some reason, it was very easy to shift into this. Okay, I'm ready to drop it because it was so painful. But I see this in everyday life with everybody. It's just like okay. And my kids harass me all the time because they tell me something's happening. I'm like, well, are you enjoying that feeling you're having? You really enjoying this experience? I like that, oh God, I like that?

Speaker 2: 44:00

oh god, I like that. Write that down. Are you enjoying the feeling you're having? Oh, I love that. Tell, tell whoever said that that that comes up.

Speaker 1: 44:10

That was like a high five, that was like cool yeah yeah, so they kind of mock it back to me, but they and then they go about their business. But they know that there's always this underlying I can choose to experience something different if I want, right yeah that's.

Speaker 1: 44:27

I guess that's my frustration, as even at this age in my life and this location that I this, that I exist in, it's like you know, even the political landscape or the economical landscape. If we don't like what we're seeing, why are we not working at either changing our perspective or changing the way we operate? Or, you know, make the change. You're the one here in the experience, you know. Yes, I have one last question for you.

Speaker 2: 44:55

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 44:56

It's in regard to that I am in complete agreement that we create our world around us. Everybody does, and we all experience different, technically different worlds, because we all have a different perspective. What is your, what do you have to say to people who are not quite to that space where they can really swallow that information, to that space where they can really swallow that information? I know that it can be hard, because with that information also comes responsibility. It comes freedom and responsibility at the same time. So for somebody who's like right on the edge of starting to recognize that in fact, they are the ones creating this, whether it be consciously, subconsciously, whatever what do you say about? How can they maybe make that shift to go off the ledge, to fully embody that?

Speaker 2: 45:48

I think the comedy team would like to respond to that. So maybe if I was, if that person was physically in front of me we're just having a conversation and someone came up I might respond by saying who's experiencing this, who's experiencing this? Now, that's an existential approach that might get them to really like think you know in a different way, because it's not something you can just answer. Think you know in a different way, cause it's not something you can just answer. It's not a cookie cutter answer question, that that you can answer like in five seconds. But who is experiencing this suffering?

Speaker 1: 46:34

That reminds me of Michael Singer's response to people who talk about how they can't meditate. Or this is I, do that, so I and he's like, how do you know? Yeah, yeah, well, so ultimately the real question is who am I?

Speaker 2: 46:49

and that's connecting with the true self and then bringing that into this 3d world in your 3d experience well, it does appear from, uh, hearing and reading about different so called gurus in our history that they all essentially teach yes, who am I? But I would say more of you're really more of a what than you are of a who. So so, what are you? I like the what are you and how are you serving? How are you serving? Nobody asks that question. People don't ask it of themselves. Well, how am I serving today? What does that even mean? But here's my thing. I just try to live by the golden rule because, as a little kid exposed to that, that was one of the other few teachings that I got from the church that I thought was really cool, like the golden rule. Well, yes, that makes a lot of common sense to me as a little kid. Everything else that they're teaching I don't know, man.

Speaker 2: 48:06

The golden rule.

Speaker 1: 48:08

Right, Because ultimately we are treating however we treat, whoever we treat, we are treating ourselves that way.

Speaker 2: 48:18

Well, we experience it I guess energetically is another way to put it yeah, how we see others, that we experience that in our bodies. The reflection back, I guess. But I guess the thing is like buddha asked is it possible to be free of suffering? So that's worry. So, in contemporary terms, it's worry. So, in contemporary terms, it's worry, anxiety, moms. Mothers are taught to worry about their babies and their kids. Even when the kids and the babies grow up to be 35, the moms still worry because that's noble, and that's what grandma said, and that's what auntie said, and, uh, right. So you know that worry just creates more worry. It doesn't create loving support. It actually can make people feel not very comfortable. So think about this if you knew somebody was heavily worried about you because, uh, your life's not right right now, it's all kind of messed up, how do you feel energetically, emotionally, receiving those vibes from that person? You wouldn't be happy and uplifted. I don't think you would go into more of a depression.

Speaker 1: 49:31

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:31

Right.

Speaker 1: 49:32

Yeah, my natural state is to all of a sudden feel responsibility, and that's a hard lesson that I've learned is that that energy is not my, their energy is not my responsibility.

Speaker 2: 49:42

Oh. So today on on the show, like why don't you just quit? Why don't you just quit?

Speaker 1: 49:51

I quit. Well, that's the most freeing thing. I mean, you know, I'm sure I'm still learning that lesson, but it's it. It has been a big one for me.

Speaker 2: 50:00

Yeah, for all me, yeah For all women. Yeah, you're not responsible for your kids happiness, you as a parent. It's like this Rudolph Steiner symbology I think, I think it came from his teachings, came from somewhere. So I read this book about, symbolically, the role of parents with, with kids. And so the kids are like this little seedling you're planting in the garden, and so in seedlings, you know when, when rain, rain comes and wind blows, it could literally destroy the, the seedling, right. So you've got to stake it up and maybe put a little wire fence around it so the deer don't come to eat it up. You like that. So that's the parents role is to be like the, the, the fencing around the seedling and the stake so that the child can have a grow up with a straight spine, in a sense. Right, that's all parents are required to do yeah right, it's that little guidance and support, nothing else.

Speaker 2: 51:08

So how they end up is not your responsibility, not your problem. Yeah, right and just. And if your kid grows up to be a genius, well, it doesn't necessarily reflect upon you as a person, in a sense, because they have their own life. But you know, this site has this interesting thing about how, like, sons want to be like their dads and daughters want to be like their mom and even physically kind of look alike and stuff and copy the same kind of characteristics and traits and stuff. That just means, I think, from my perspective, that they're not at the level yet of developing their own unique characteristics, shall we say their unique human signature in a sense. So they gotta copy dad, they gotta copy mom, or they gotta lean on dad or lean on mom. And then the parents care, yes, want the kids to get a's and like become a doctor or a lawyer, and no, mom, I don't want to do that, I want to be a horse trainer, what?

Speaker 1: 52:21

and then they wind up having to unlearn or recognize that that is not their, uh, their soul's path. Yeah, yeah see.

Speaker 2: 52:32

So we're learning about sovereignty, about breaking away from tradition. Tradition had its place in the current age. It doesn't have a place in now. I mean, the Piscean Age doesn't have a place in this Aquarian Age. It is like this age is about really starting afresh with new ideas, new concepts, new ways of doing everything, which is going to be very challenging. New ways of doing everything which is going to be very challenging, because if we try to build this new world, this new earth from the past, it's not going to succeed.

Speaker 1: 53:10

No, those patterns don't work.

Speaker 2: 53:13

Yeah, it's like your kids go. Yeah, how are you liking?

Speaker 1: 53:19

that experience, mom. I love that. Oh, they throw it back to me, don't worry. Well, thank you so much for joining us yes, it's been fun thanks for listening to this episode of mystical and infamous podcast with the happy lion center. Send requests for topic discussions, questions and comments to podcast at happylioncentercom. That's podcast at happylioncentercom.