Speaker 1: 0:01

Hello, this is Blair Stanislao, with the Happy Lion Center. Welcome to our podcast, mystical and Infamous, where we have playful and easy conversations about anything mystical, getting to the heart of all things, strange and weird. Join us in a bit of magical tomfoolery, spreading the alchemy of love and light. And now we invite you to enjoy the show. Fabi, would you just introduce yourself a little bit so that the listeners know who you are.

Speaker 2: 0:30

Yes, so I'm Fabi. I am a spiritual guide and mentor. I work with a lot of healers. I'm also a channel and multi-hyphenated business guide multi-hyphenated business guide. I'm from South Africa originally. I've been in the US for about 10 years now. I have a six-year-old and I'm married to my husband, richie, and I spent the first half of my life in South Africa and in the corporate field, so I'm an accountant by before times. Then I woke up, I had my daughter and that was a huge awakening. Parenthood, I think, is such a significant initiation, especially for mothers, and had all of the dark nights of the soul and went through significant just realizations and rememberings over the last few years and started really dropping into the gifts that I came into this life with. And now I'm so happy and honored to help other healers with their journey, as they do the same, and I'm so excited to be here.

Speaker 1: 1:39

Yeah, thanks for coming on. So I just wanted to touch really quickly because you said something that I am interested in to learn more about. You said I woke up and then I had my daughter. So what's the connection there? Or the order, or tell me a little bit more about that.

Speaker 2: 1:57

Yeah, so I grew up in a Christian household. My dad was a pastor, so for most of my formative years there was this relationship with the church and religion. That never sat right with me, but I knew that there was something I was connected to. I always felt this yearning to connect with something outside, inside of myself and, you know, it always just kind of eluded me and I think when I started in the year of my Saturn return, it really started ramping up right, as I feel like a lot of people realize. Then, in that same year I also married my husband. The next year I had my daughter. So there was a lot of life changes happening. I had, at that point, been working, you know, significant amount of hours burnt out. I was a workaholic, I was in accounting. I had, you know, the carrot was dangled out in front of me for what success had to look like. And my daughter's birth and even just being pregnant with her was such a significant milestone but also rocked me to the core right.

Speaker 2: 3:14

Postpartum was very hard and I needed to really look at my life from a different perspective, because now I had this tiny human and I was like there must be more to this than what I've been told, and that question had always eluded me right. It always was like what is my purpose? That's, I think, was my driving, my spur in this lifetime was figuring out what my purpose was, because I never felt satisfied and so it was always a search for something, but I never could really figure out what that was. And I think when my daughter was born, I was really forced to stop and take a look at my life and no longer just run away from the things that I'd been going through and I have complex PTSD PTSD so like therapy and really paying attention to my body and looking at the trauma that I experienced in childhood. All of those things were just oh, I don't have time for that right now. I have so much to do and I have, you know, a career to aspire to and like to climb the corporate ladder, so I used work very much as a way for me to get away from dealing with my shit.

Speaker 2: 4:31

And then the big wake up call for me and I think the big initiation was motherhood, because it made me stop and wake up to the realization that there's more to this life than what I really am, been what we've been told, and then fast forward to 2020 and I feel like the entire world was forced to wake up.

Speaker 2: 4:55

Um, and then I I just kind of deep dove into all things spirituality and I feel like back then there wasn't all these resources that is available now, and I think much more people now it's much more, you know, more people are talking about and have community, but back then it was very much like, well, if I'm not a Christian and I'm not in the church, what does that mean? And, like you know, there's, there was a lot of questioning and so, yeah, yeah, waking up was kind of a gradual process, but I do feel like my daughter's birth was like that initial push of like oh, okay, I've been asleep for a very long time and there's, there's, there's more to this life than I've been told so I find it really interesting.

Speaker 1: 5:43

Um, you referenced, like you know, back then previously it felt like the information wasn't out there. I'm not in disagreement with you about that. However, if I look at like the timeline that we theoretically live on, like this linear timeline, I would have said the exact same thing when I was coming into what I understand to be now, which is more of a spiritual truth than what I had experienced prior. So I find that really interesting. As a matter of fact, I just had Neil Donald Walsh on here, who is the author of the Conversations with God in other books, and I asked him a question about channeling. I asked him if he channeled the books and he had a response. It's really interesting.

Speaker 1: 6:28

I thoroughly enjoyed his response, which was essentially no, no, I don't channel. I didn't channel it. We knew channel it's like, it's like. So what he was describing was trans channeling. Well, I mean, honestly, 15 months ago I didn't even know what trans channeling was, not that I hadn't seen it. I I didn't even know what trans channeling was, not that I hadn't seen it, I just had never heard that term or anything like that. So it's really interesting to recognize. It does feel like the stuff is not out there, but it is out there, it just requires the seeking of it, right?

Speaker 2: 7:00

Yeah, I do agree about that. I wonder if it's something to do with whether or not you're ready to receive that information, if it's going to come into your field, right. And so back then I felt like I was hitting my head against the wall, trying to find things you know, find out about things that I do feel like now, with TikTok and social media and much more people who are talking about these things, and maybe just because I'm in this world, it feels like it's out there more than when I was looking for it. But I do think there is something to. Whenever it's ready or you're ready to hear it, it'll come into your field. But yeah, I wonder if, if I was like, if someone is going through an awakening now, if they may feel the same way, even though we are on this side, feel like everything's out there it's everywhere, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 7:50

But they're seeking these kinds of conversations to figure out. Ok, if they are there, where are they so that we talk about them? I totally agree that. I mean, I don't think it's even objectively incorrect to say that it really is more out there. I mean, 2020 was a huge shift for a lot of people. They, we, we had to stay home in a way that we wouldn't have otherwise. So, yes, this is something else I'm curious about. You said you have complex PTSD. Was that from your daughter or from other things as well, from having your that was from um childhood trauma.

Speaker 1: 8:23

Okay, so that's what I figured. So you've had a lot for a long time. And it's interesting to me because there's this idea that desperation. I think it was Ram Dass who said desperation is a prerequisite for going there. So you essentially it works better when you're kind of desperate and really like, okay, this is not going to work anymore, I have to go. And 2020 for a lot of people was in fact, that for me, on December 15th, 2024, I fell down and broke both my elbows at the same time, and so even just that first night, I couldn't move sheets. I couldn't. I couldn't move my arms at all, right, like without immense pain. And it's amazing if you get forced to just sit with that discomfort how things.

Speaker 2: 9:14

It's really uncomfortable, but it does shift things very quickly if you're able to sit, sit through that, I guess, or sit with it is more like it right right, and that's the thing, the thing you think about the spur and I've done some work on this and channeling to understand just like the human, something that's really for me, it's really interesting is to understand, just like how the universe is put together and what we're doing here and how the soul comes to incarnate and soul contracts and all of those. Just, I'm a virgo rising and so I love structure, but I also am a aquarius sun and moon, so I love like chaos, so it's fun up around here, so, but I uh, one of the things I've channeled is around um, everyone has a different, you know, archetype. They come into this play that we call life in right, so each incarnation is a different. You just look at a full play in your character in this video game or whatever you want to call it, the illusion that we're in right, and so everyone comes in with a specific set of soul contracts, but also things that spur you and what is your spur for your lifetime, right? And so that's what I call my spur, like my spur was trying to figure out that friction that causes you to move right. So if we didn't have friction, or if we didn't have a spur or discomfort, we would be complacent, we would not do like. You know, people have to reach their rock bottom to change. That's where we are seeing what's happening right now in the world, because we haven't reached rock bottom yet.

Speaker 2: 10:53

I had channeled a few months before the election results and I channeled Sophia, which is one of the primordial gods or goddesses or whatever you want to call her, and she was like just so you know, trump is going to win and the reason for it is because humans, especially Americans, have not reached their rock bottom yet. It hasn't gotten as bad as it needs to get. And so, seeing it play out now and sitting at this, from being able to understand how the universe works and being able to just like step out of that. I remember in 20, what was that? 2018, when he first won, I don't know, was that, I don't know, the first election? I was devastated. That was still before I was.

Speaker 2: 11:46

You know, I really understood how things were put together. I was like I thought I was going to get deported because I was from a different country. There was, like all of this fear. I was very wrapped up in the fear by Russell and the difference for me between that and now is immense, because I can basically remove myself from and understand oh, these are just players, this is playing out the way it needs to be played out, and you can decide whether or not you're going to step into that fear spiral or not, and there's nothing wrong if you're still in that, but you have the free will to create your own reality and everything's neutral.

Speaker 2: 12:26

And so this, what is happening right now in the collective, is literally needed so that people can wake up, like we need that spur, we need that discomfort which exactly the 2020 felt, like the entire world shut down because we needed a reset, and that was where. That's what we needed and that's, um, that's why it was orchestrated as such, right, um, and so I am like one of the people who are like thank you for 2020, because there were so many things that I think we were headed down a path of no return and luckily, we were able to like reach hopefully sooner critical mass where more and more people are waking up.

Speaker 1: 13:20

Well, let's talk about that, because I really love that idea and it makes a lot of sense to me.

Speaker 1: 13:22

But the idea of the critical mass which, as I understood it to be, it was like or it is like, yeah, a certain number of people let's just say it's a percentage, right Like there's a certain percentage of people on the earth who are coming to the awareness of what you just said, which is we are operating in a play, in a sense, and we can decide where we go from here, and that you know you said it in a different way, but essentially we can.

Speaker 1: 13:53

We are subconsciously picking and choosing the lives that we live, but we can actually shift into doing it more consciously. Consciously, yeah, better lives for ourselves, or what's being better. So if that's the case, if we have enough people who are shifting into that awareness of self-sovereignty, then we we start to, of course, infiltrate, or maybe not infiltrate, maybe influence the masses so much faster that then all of humanity has the ability to wake up to this. So what is your take on that experience and what do you feel like? Like, what do you think is coming? Like, have you channeled anything on that? That's specific.

Speaker 2: 14:37

So one of the things I don't know if you've heard about disclosure, right? So disclosure is basically an event that has been channeled by multiple channels and basically, if you read, the raw contact is a heavyweight bra work, the law of one um it. It is a set of channelings that was done in the 80s in kentucky and it was about 140 sessions where these researchers had someone do um, basically the channel that you just mentioned. Right, she would her body, she would like. She was laying on the on the bed, her consciousness left her body, extraterrestrial consciousness entered her right. So, and then they had someone who was asking questions and then someone was taking notes. All of this is available online for free, all the transcripts, and so I took a deep dive into all 140 of them and they are so interesting because it really the questions they ask were all the questions you could think of about how everything is put together.

Speaker 2: 15:49

So Ra is the extraterrestrial entities that these researchers channeled, and Ra was also the extraterrestrials that helped build the pyramids in Egypt and in South America. So, just as a background, so one of the things from that channeling that I learned and others have shared is that Earth is basically at some level in quarantine. So, up until now, if there were any extraterrestrials who wanted to make contact with Earth in some way, they needed to get approval from something or some like a group called the Galactic Federation. And the Galactic Federation is basically the, you know, the guardians of the galaxy, and you know, and in a different word, and they, they help, keep order, they help. It's basically like where all the different, um, all the different what do you call them? People from not people, but entities from different places, would have a place, a space there to make decisions about what happens in our solar system or beyond and for Earth, because of how the third dimension works, right?

Speaker 2: 17:10

So in the third dimension, if you come incarnate, you forget everything, and that's the point, right. So the point of third dimension is for you come incarnate, you forget everything, and that's the point, right. So the point of third dimension is for you to go through earth school, forgetting everything about past lives as well as previous incarnations, so that you can ultimately learn how to reconnect with love and reconnect with, remember who you are. And so, if you think of that, for that setup to work, we have to be in the dark, so we have to be in. We're basically not allowed to know what the truth is until we're ready to hear it.

Speaker 2: 17:49

So you kind of need to do your own work and learn and work through your own work and learn and work through your look through your own blockages, learn the lessons that you signed up for as a soul to learn in earth school and then solely but truly learn the truth of who you are, of what's happening, however, every 75 000, a planet needs to ascend or basically is set to ascend into the next dimension, and Earth has kind of passed its deadline to ascend.

Speaker 2: 18:25

And so in the 60s or 70s, a call went out to everyone in the galaxy basically asking to support Earth, because they basically realized that we are going down the wrong road and the humans have not actually done the work that they needed to. They're so stuck in their Maya that it doesn't look good for Earth's attention kind of trajectory. And one of the milestones to see whether or not we are making progress is something called disclosure, which basically means that once a certain level of people, aka critical mass, have done their own work and have basically stepped out of their Maya and woken up quote unquote that means that what they call is um non-interference, which is basically non-interference, is what they call um, not uh, earth being in, um, in quarantine, so they're not allowed to interfere with our process on earth okay.

Speaker 2: 19:34

So they are prohibited, they being the extraterrestrials, the galactic federation, really anyone is prohibited to um to interfere with an individual soul's progression in this game on earth, but that a non-interference rule is lifted once a critical mass has done their work and has gotten there by themselves. And so disclosure, hopefully, is coming in the next year like it's imminent, as imminent as it always can be, because they always say it's a date and then it passes because of some other reason. But basically, disclosure is a big possibility for 2025, which is exciting. But I've also channeled that it's not going to be like an alien ship over Manhattan, like some movie that we've watched. It's not going to be as fear-inducing. The idea isn't that we scare them because that would create chaos.

Speaker 2: 20:51

So it will probably be some type of transmission that those with the eyes to see in the year to year will hear, and it won't be like everyone because, again, if you are still asleep and that is not part like being part of the you know process to help earth awaken, is not part of your soul plan then hearing this may be harmful to your, to your path, and so it's almost like disclosure is going to can only happen again when certain people, a certain amount of people, are able to get to a point where their vibrational frequency is high enough so that they can hear the transmission of disclosure.

Speaker 2: 21:40

So it's almost like we are tuning our nervous systems and our frequency to the point where, again, working on your own inner work, doing your spirit, doing your inner healing, gets your vibration to a certain point so that when we reach that critical mass and disclosure happens you're able to basically hear the transmission and then that will basically start like a steamroll for those who are here as starseeds to help the process of waking up the rest of the planet. But I also think what people don't understand is like the ascension of earth is not going to happen in probably in even our lifetime. Like it is a process and it's going to take 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years just, and it's not going to be just like one day you wake up and then we're in a different, on a different earth. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding as to what ascension actually means.

Speaker 1: 22:44

Let me clarify something before we go on too far. So you're saying disclosure is essentially when the other species from other places are coming to give us information that will help us? Is that what the deal? Okay, so? We have to reach the critical mass to be able to receive that disclosure correct or even disclosure, as in we are here.

Speaker 2: 23:08

You are not alone on this planet. So basically, like disclosing the fact that there are hundreds currently hundreds of spaceships circling earth but they're not allowed to make themselves known to the populace of earth because of non-interference.

Speaker 1: 23:28

Okay, so what I have under, I don't know what your personal experiences are, but I have not had personally that I remember. Maybe there was something I don't remember, but I don't remember, maybe I do. I don't remember a really dramatic thing where you know I've gone into meditation. I mean I have been another species on other planets, yes, into meditation. I mean I have been another species on other planets, yes, and but I've not, like, downloaded specifically and frankly I don't get hung up on whatever, because to me they're all stories, like it doesn't really matter what any of my past stories are, because it's the storyline, is the plot, the information that you get from the story, is the part.

Speaker 2: 24:10

Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 1: 24:12

So I'm interested in yeah, I mean the story is the vehicle, but I'm more interested in the other stuff. So what I'm saying is I have had stories that have told me, sure, I've been part of that, but I haven't had anything that was like super dramatic, where, you know, I don't even get hung up on the names of the alien races or like um, but I kind of am curious what let's see, because it's all to me, it's all over the place. All you have to do is look. People are saying that all the time. There's this, there's that. Oh, look at this thing. They've got it on video.

Speaker 1: 24:49

And even though AI has become much more popular this year and, granted, I have been doing graphics for a long, long time some very visual person, and most of the time I can look at it and be like, yeah, that's AI. Right, you can pretty much tell. But there are videos out there that are like, no, that is not AI, not AI at all. I'm kind of curious as to how you know Bashar says it. He said it one time I watched.

Speaker 1: 25:16

I don't watch him all the time, but I watched him occasionally. One time he said this and I thought that is such a perfect description. He was describing us existing in whatever dimension we're in, and it's almost like there's glass walls or something in between dimensions and if you change your vibration you can walk through to another dimension. You can also see to other dimensions and if you change your vibration you can walk through to another dimension. You can also see to other dimensions, so you can see lower, um, I don't know that you can see dimensions higher, but you know that's the idea that you can see other dimensions, that that thought process, that it's not going to be something that uh, very much like one of my favorite movies, arrival.

Speaker 1: 25:53

the whole world is just it's not like that, but there's going to be something there and and things like. Arrival was one of my favorite movies, not because it's an alien and all this, any of that stuff. It was again. It was the meat of the story, which is time is not linear. Look, this is detailed. How it's not linear and the story was put together so beautifully.

Speaker 2: 26:19

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:21

Yeah, so I'm sorry I interrupted you. I just wanted to make sure what disclosure was. And yeah, so, we're essentially it's kind of like a goal that we're getting to to receive it, and I would venture to say, if you're looking for it, the information is out there. Yes, here we are having this conversation.

Speaker 2: 26:40

It is, and so it's it's like it's almost like those of us who are and those of us who are kind of at the front lines of this. Sometimes I feel like we need to be very careful as to assuming that there isn't like more that needs, like there's so many more people who aren't waking up and that need those that of us who are being kind of woken up at first to go back and support them and to help them along. And I think that's probably the next. I've heard a lot of just channels, a lot of things, and I've heard a lot of channelers talk about like the next iteration of the spiritual path is a community right, like we are meant to be in community, versus everyone just doing it by themselves. And I think for me personally, when I woke up, it was me myself and I right, and I think we're, we're being called to now take what we hear, take what we're channeling, take what we're learning, and turn around and share it with those who are in our sphere, because they are there, because you have signed a self-contract with them, and if you're a frontrunner, if you're someone that is getting information, who is waking up first, you're the way shower right, and so it's hard because you're the one screaming out there and being like, wake up. And everyone's like you're crazy. But it's not for you to keep it to yourself, right, it is because we have a job to do, right, like we have.

Speaker 2: 28:30

And, like you said, it's not about people love to know where they're from and what they're. What if they're star seed or not, and if they're where, what? You know what galactic family they're from. And there's so many extraterrestrials on earth. At this point it really doesn't matter anymore. But it does help you, especially when it's when you want to connect with your spirit guides or you want to connect with your galactic family. It helps to have that information.

Speaker 2: 28:57

But again, don't harp too much on that information, because I think a lot of people think, oh, I need to have had, like this, like you said, a big abduction on, like a spaceship, or it needs to be this big pumping circumstance, or I need to feel like earth is alien for me to really be a starseed. And there's this like hierarchy we're starting to create where, if you're a starseed, you're like higher than if you're not a starseed, like I think we're. So, as humans, we do this thing where, like what we want to have, create these hierarchies, um which I think what we need to remember ultimately is this is all an illusion and you know there's no such thing as separation, and I am you and you am I, and you know, ultimately there is no such thing as separation. And we're just here in a video game, right? So we're.

Speaker 1: 29:53

All of the stuff that we're creating is basically us playing Sims and yeah it's interesting you say that about the hierarchy, because that's the belief system that there needs to be a hierarchy is very human, and I struggled actually a lot with exactly what you're talking about there People getting hung up on their, whatever the story is Right and I took a channeling course last year. I thought it would be really cool and I took the course and he did a really great job. But as soon as I get in the course and I realized what it is, I'm like I've been doing that my whole life and I it's a feeling that you know, and so I'm completely, completely confident in that. And now I'm taking another one for fun, because this woman is really really good at articulating all the different ways of doing it and so forth, and that, right, there was something that I actually had to shift in my I'm sure it's my mind about, because that particular person does. I think it has to do with language, because language is so limiting. So she does some practices and she tells us to do these practices, but the purpose behind it I get like it's to create the energy or or to um, uh, you know, call back your energy, and it feels very different. So when you do it in a certain way, it, it, it can feel cleaner than it has.

Speaker 1: 31:22

For me, um, and the con, the, the, the name, the name thing is like a really big thing because, um, I'm not very good with names I never have been but I very early on understood okay, my name is Blair, that's what they call me. I have to respond to that, right, but that's not who I am and I never thought that about anybody else. So that's why their names don't stick with me Exactly, unless they do something really weird or I'm really interested in them. For some reason the names don't stick. And so, going into this channeling thing, and you know, they're like oh, this archangel, blah, blah, blah, whatever, and I'm still not very good at it, okay, but what I learned, the difference was and it's really interesting because I have somebody who works with me and a friend of mine who's actually she does, she did this naturally it's this, this way of you're in the zone, you're channeling, you're getting information, you turn around, in a sense. You turn around and talk to the energy, whatever it is, and that's where the name thing I have seen. Maybe that does help because it, because we have the constructs of language you listen I talk, you talk, I think so. Listen I talk, you talk, I think so.

Speaker 1: 32:37

And that becomes an exchange where I think giving an energy, a particular name, would allow for more of that conversation, whereas, like in the first official channeling course I was in, they've spent hours, I mean like three full classes on protection and you know, I don't know all the negative things that come in. You know like, yes, I don't even have the words for them, and I'm just there and I was having the hardest time. I just put myself on mute, turn the camera off, and I was just like I can't. I was about to call my friend and be like I don't know if I can handle this class and it really was. It's because it's entertaining the idea of fear and that you actually need protection and all of that, and that's really hard for me, whereas I would get to where I had to have a conversation with them about this and they would ask their questions and I'm like how do you not know it's the right energy? Like it's hard to explain. Not know it's the right energy, like it's hard to explain.

Speaker 2: 33:39

Yeah, no, if that's energy or if it's not a good energy, yeah, and it's hard. I think this is such a change, I feel like from the first wave of of star seeds and the first wave of channeling. I agree, like a lot of people I come in contact with, and when I started, when I started you know reading about about channelinging I agree, like a lot of people I come in contact with, and when I started, when I started, you know reading a lot about channeling because I was like, oh, I want to channel, and then I started doing it, I was like, oh, this is a, this is the worst, I hate it. I was like it don't I always tell people, don't think it's the most glamorous thing, because once you start opening your channel, it's like I'm like and say simply like me alone, I have things to do. Like there are some some days I'm like I don't do I need to know who you are, and they're like no, I'm like cool, do you need anything from me? No, cool, do your thing Right. Like I have a very, very interesting relationship with my guides.

Speaker 2: 34:28

But when I started out again, there was all of this like awesome, all all of these questions and like protection and so based in fear, and the first thing that my guides told me as soon as I started really connecting with them is like there shouldn't be any fear here, like it's not supposed to be. Obviously, you want to have energetic hygiene right, especially with other humans, but, honestly, even like other humans are more of a? Um other humans energy on you is actually more of a threat, if you want to call it that, than than any like you know, guides or whatever. And so I just I always tell people, especially those who have been in other circles, who have a fear mindset, because I do feel like there's a lot of teachers and a lot of mentors and a lot of people who teach classes who do harp so much on the entity, attachments, interference, and like you need to like all of the stuff and I'm like you're in the fear spiral and when you're in the fear spiral and when you're in the fear spiral, you're going to create more. Your reality, yes, which creates more like this, is just like going to continue to happen.

Speaker 2: 35:45

And it's so funny because of the work I've done and the work I do, I do a lot of entity um, attachment, um, like unburdening work right. So like would, when I get a new client, the first thing I check if whether they have an entity attachment and I, surprisingly, in the last few months I've done a lot of them. But it was so funny because I did like. I did in one month I probably did like 12 different people who had all been working with a specific very famous person who is in that mindset of this, like she teaches about entity attachments. But she was the one who was basically like attaching her energy and an entity to all the people she had like been in contact with and so it was like this whole thing. But it was just so funny because it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, right. She was like she's so in this fear mindset and so everyone that comes into her field ended up getting into the attachment. It was a whole thing in her field ended up getting an entity attachment. It was a whole thing.

Speaker 2: 36:59

But I think what's interesting when I look at a lot of these people who speak on this, especially on social media, as soon as I open someone's profile I can see immediately I don't know if that's something that you have picked up on I pull someone up and I can immediately be like either they have an entity attachment or two. Their energy is so leaky and it's like this, like contraction that happens, and I'm like, well, they have a hundred million followers on social media, but I would not like come with the 10-foot pole, like you know, close to them. And it's so interesting when you start like really paying attention to the energies that are now, that are currently like the popular people in the spiritual world. It's so just like sitting back and looking at them.

Speaker 1: 37:43

It's like okay, it is really interesting, and I think mine is more of a very, very basic kind of response. It's either like, oh, I really like this person, I'm drawn to them, or you know, yeah, and that's it.

Speaker 2: 37:54

I mean, you don't know why, but it's like it's a, it's immediately no, you're like no, no, I don't want to be in that person's energy.

Speaker 1: 38:06

Yeah. Yeah, I kind of wonder if it to me. I'm saying like I, I didn't realize this, but I really do see things in a different way. I like I do have a different kind of vision, where we have this conversation and I have this image going around doing all of this stuff. So what I, what I see, is that the language thing is an issue.

Speaker 1: 38:23

Okay, so let's say that they're talking. They are talking about channeling or whatever they're talking about, and it's really helpful because now somebody's talking about it. So now, now that I had the interview with Neil I mean mean, I don't know if he heard anywhere else, but he definitely heard from me well, channeling's not bad, right? Yes, so he, you know, and he helped to bring that about his book. Yes, even though he wasn't aware that channeling is what it is now that we're aware of, yes, he helped to bring that forward. So I kind of feel like, even though people like that are talking about all this kind of spiritual world and maybe they have those, those entity attachments, because that's what they've been they're still bringing things forward.

Speaker 2: 39:06

100, yeah 100, and so I always I'm like there's. I always say that everyone, like we are at different levels and the person that needs that person will connect with that person where they are, and you will outgrow all your teachers at some point. And so, like, don't make someone your guru, don't make someone your god, because that person is human, like you are and you're just in different parts of your journey. And just because I know all of this and whoever's listening doesn't doesn't mean that there's a again, there's no hierarchy. It just means that I am on my path and you know it's not. This information is available to everyone and that's.

Speaker 2: 39:51

I think the thing that people don't realize is, like, be very discerning.

Speaker 2: 39:57

I think when you listen to people who are channeling or bringing information, even you know myself, I always say, like, take what resonates and believe what doesn't.

Speaker 2: 40:06

If something doesn't feel right in your body, there's a reason for it. So don't go down that road, just trust your own sovereignty and intuition. But I think a lot of people don't know how to trust because they don't spend time with themselves enough and they don them feel seen, whatever the reason is, and then ultimately they're, they wake up and they're like what, where have I gone, like I? I'm down a road that I don't. I don't even recognize myself anymore, and I think it's because we're so used to, um, outsourcing our intuition and our, our sovereignty and we want others to tell us please tell me what I need to do, or please tell me what is right. But ultimately, you have the ability to realize and to pull this information through. You just need to really sit with yourself and do your own work, which I feel like I'm seeing more and more people do, but it's really hard, so I can see why people don't want to do it.

Speaker 1: 41:15

Well I would say, I don't know if I would say it's hard, but it's uncomfortable.

Speaker 2: 41:19

Oh yeah, it is. That's what we don't want to experience.

Speaker 1: 41:21

So that's actually where I was going to go. That's the next ultimate question and I think it. I mean it certainly plays into our, our human experiences that you and I are having right now. I was actually just thinking this past week like, okay, so I have essentially shifted from doing a lot of energy work and even massage and other things into I want to help people come to self-realization, like that's, and so I got this. I'd been preparing for it all before I didn't know that, but now I see the connections and I understand where it goes. And so now I have this program and we just started the program and it's been a very interesting experience to watch.

Speaker 1: 42:04

So the program itself is about experience. It's not your traditional in the past. The instructor stands up and gives information and you consume that information. It's more experiential and it's also very community oriented. So even as the facilitator, I noticed first off that it went really well. I have some people in there just amazing already, right, but but the experience was really good so far. They've already made shifts. I've made shifts too, and what I've noticed is, first I was like wait a minute.

Speaker 1: 42:40

That first my first response was oh, this was so easy. I love this. This is, this is totally going to work. And then it was like, wait a minute, maybe I'm not giving them what they are expecting, Right? And so then the ego comes in, the mind comes in that kind of thing, and then now I've shifted in into a new level with you know kind of unders, merging those two kind of things together. So what I'm saying is it's interesting to watch, because even someone like myself or you, who are helping people do things and we're always saying it's within you, you have to go inward to find your answer. They're coming to us for help. No, and I think there's going to be a big shift in the oh, the let's see what do I say? The expectation maybe of when, when enough people come to this realization that it's all within them, their expectations of somebody else is going to be entirely different. So what they get from that person through their interaction is going to be something entirely different than it has been in the past.

Speaker 2: 43:46

Yes, and it's so interesting you bring this up because the thing is right. Once you get to a certain level, um, you basically want someone to guide you through it like you said, an experience and not be like a coach or like tell you what to do right. And so there's such a difference between they say, people, you know, are you going to teach someone how to fish? Or you're going to, you know, catch a fish for them, right, like you're going to. And I always say that the, the healers I work with and I work mostly with people who have been doing this for a while, or they really feel like there's something in them and they're here to be a healer. And I always say that, even if you are the one who others come to, you still need to do your inner work and you still need someone to be a mirror to you and a reflection to you and kind of go deeper. So because the deeper you can go, the more capacity you create to hold others, and so we all need those people in our lives, no matter where you are in your journey, that will hold you and can hold you as well as can reflect back to you. What are those things that you where you're still like in the loops or where are the lessons that are still being learned, because I always say like if you're done with this school, then you would not wake up in the morning, right? So, like every morning you wake up because you're not done yet and there's more for you to experience. And so, like you said, like this is an experience and so it goes from me, you know again, standing in the front and like being at the Fabi show and I'm going to like jump up and down and show you all the cool things I could do. No, this is your experience and I will show you how to, I'll guide you to it and I'll support you and hold you and hold and kind of hold you accountable and I will hold space for you and I will be a reflection for you. But ultimately, this is your experience to have, be a reflection for you, but ultimately this is your experience to have, and the deeper you can go and want to go is all up to you, because you have free will, right, and I think us, as facilitators, we need to make sure that we stay in as much groundedness and alignment so that we don't step into their story. We stay on our side and we hold the guardrails, but they're the ones that need to go on this journey, um, as those that we are here to serve.

Speaker 2: 46:20

Um, and then also really being like okay, where am I, where am I playing small, for example, like I think a lot of healers are like I feel like there's more here that you know the clients I've been serving for a while, it's just, it's the same thing. And, like you said, like once you get to a point where you really you're like it took years for me to get to a place where I even could do massage or energy healing and feeling like you have to do that for the rest of your life there's going to become a time when you're like this is no longer it for me and it takes people so long to accept that there's something more. And I think that's where I love working with people, because it isn't. The first step is almost harder.

Speaker 2: 47:07

The second step is almost harder than the first step, because you're so not complacent, but you're like this is my thing, I'm gonna do this, and you know, as we know, people don't love change, but also people don't.

Speaker 2: 47:19

People want to be seen as one thing and so you don't want to be seeming like, oh well, I'm doing this and I do this and I do this, but there's going to come a time where you're going to be expected to expand, and that expansion is always uncomfortable.

Speaker 2: 47:36

Right, it's going to feel like you're stretching yourself, but if you don't, then you're going to stagnate, and that's when your business starts to feel like, oh, now I'm going to have to see these clients again and so. But for you to expand, it's going to require you to really do your inner work. Look at your patterns, look at your ego, look at all the different parts that come up and how you're playing small, and so a lot of us have to look at our witch wounds, have to look at where are the parts of us that are playing at a level that we have outgrown. But it's too scary to level up, to step up, but the people who we are here to serve are looking for that next level of a guide, and if you don't step up, that's not part of your evolution. We always are here to evolve into the next step.

Speaker 1: 48:36

Yeah, I really love that and everybody has that, that level of comfort where it's so good. But what I am really, really interested in is getting to the place where I'm sensitive enough to recognize that experience and make the shift before something dramatic like broken elbows or a car wreck or a dead husband or whatever these things are, before that comes in, because if you don't listen, I find it usually does happen.

Speaker 2: 49:10

Oh yeah, because the universe whispers and then whispers a bit louder and then starts to maybe like speak at like a little bit louder, and then starts to shout, and then it starts to scream at you and then it kicks you off of the cliff. Yeah, because that's just how it works right. And every single thing that you're experiencing, your soul, your superconscious basically have agreed to and have consented to, and so if your consciousness and your subconscious does not want to get with the program and does not listen to the subtle nudges, something huge is going to happen. Because again, we are here. If you're listening to this, you probably are here to do big work, and it feels like it may feel scary to hear this, but the collective consciousness of earth requires you and needs you to get up and do the thing. And so, yes, if you don't, it really is going to get to a point where you cannot ignore it anymore. And again, it doesn't have to happen that way. And you're right, as you do this work and you really start to understand what the subtle cues are, you can just make little adjustments and it can be so useful because it doesn't have to be hard. And so we kind of come in full circle.

Speaker 2: 50:50

The struggle piece comes in when we don't listen. Right, because the struggle comes in because you didn't listen to the small little nudges, and so then things have to become hard, because you know otherwise we won't listen. And so it's like when you start really listening to the small nudges and you really take every day as like a new opportunity to come home to yourself, to realize what is that, what is in the highest for me, and how to connect with my guides, how to connect with my intuition, your life will just feel so much more in flow, because that's what it is. You're in alignment, um, and being in alignment doesn't mean that things aren't going to go quote unquote badly, but it is. What Bashar talks about is everything is neutral and every experience can either be seen as positive or negative, but you're assigning whether it's positive or negative. The experience in and of itself is neutral, neutral. So as you start to do this work and the deeper you get, you're going to see that every single thing that's happened to you wasn't happening to you. It was happening for you. And as you work through those layers of trauma, pockets or complex trauma or whatever it is past life things that are still impacting you. As you go through those layers, you're going to start to see that every single thing was there for a reason.

Speaker 2: 52:16

And then the cool part is when you start to really be in this moment and see what is happening for you in every single moment, you're able to kind of recalibrate and no longer just be the player in the game. You can also you realize that you can not only subconsciously create your reality, but consciously influence and create your reality, which people call manifesting, but that's a whole other thing that I think is very misunderstood and misconstrued. But it's basically you're no longer being puppeteered by your subconscious or by your wounds. You're able to consciously make decisions and be in alignment versus it happening to you, which it never did it whatever did happen to you, it's just your perspective. And so once you can shift your perspective because perception is reality, right, I always say, like we're in a, we're in the hunger games and like your spirit guides are like all the people watching you know you in the dome, and you can either be aware of them and ask them for help, right?

Speaker 2: 53:31

So like, ask for hey mitch to help you send you things, or you can just play the game as if you have no control over it and just be a mindless player in the game, which I feel like is like the you know the before time still being in the matrix in your Maya. Or you can look up and be like, oh, I see the dome, this is actually a game. And then the next step is oh, I can actually ask my guides or those watching to support me. They have a view of this game that I don't have, so how can I use it to my advantage? And then you can be. The next level is okay. How am I going to cheat this game? Because there's cheat codes everywhere, right? So how am I going to cheat this game and no longer be the victim in the Hunger Games and actually like play it to my advantage, which I love as an analogy?

Speaker 1: 54:22

Yeah, yeah, I really like that. Thanks for listening to this episode of mystical and infamous podcast with the Happy Lion Center. Send requests for topic discussions Happy Lion Center.