Unlocking Mysteries: Dimensions, Heavens & Consciousness

Blaire Stanislao: 0:01

Hello, this is Blair Stanislao with the Happy Lion Center. Welcome to our podcast, Mystical and Infamous, where we have playful and easy conversations about anything mystical, getting to the heart of all things, strange and weird. Join us in a bit of magical tomfoolery, spreading the alchemy of love and link. And now we invite you to enjoy the show.

Kathie Malby: 0:25

I was asking about sleeping and I was coming back to essential oils. We were touching on the value of tea tree and using it for like cold sores and other bacterial and fungal and viral things and how mild it is. But for sleep lavender is, and for grief there is a wonderful essential oil.

Kathie Malby: 0:56

What I do with people who are newly I have newly lost someone is I give them a bottle of lavender so they can put a couple of drops on a Kleenex and put it on your pillow at night so they can sleep, and so they can, you know, smell it in the middle of the night when they wake up, because that's what we do when we grieve, we don't necessarily stay sleeping. So, anyway, I just thought I would pass that on to.

Blaire Stanislao: 1:25

Oh, thank you. Thank you, all right. So we were talking. Last week we started to talk about the different heavens, yes, and the manual and the rakey manual.

Kathie Malby: 1:39

Yes, and that was in the at the master level. That information and I gave a class this last Friday. When I give a teaching, a training I whether it's a rakey one and two or a master level, I will do it also with Karuna I offer three free classes. They've already paid for it with, with their, with their training. In my opinion, there are some things I just don't touch on during the training because there's not time. There are so many options, and this area of the 12 heavens, or consciousness, or dimensions, or or planes, whatever we want to put for titles is one of those areas, and so I had done a training in the spring for two.

Kathie Malby: 2:37

I had already done this training with, or this class with, the other three, so all five of them came, the masters, to learn about this and this consciousness, and we talked, I think, about the first heaven, this last time, or the first consciousness, and the second being the same as as the first, the first being this earth, earth's plane, with the good, the bad, the ugly in it, and that is true of the second as well. The good, the bad and the ugly. People, thoughts, ideas, constructs, angels, entities, all manner of creatures can be in that second dimension. Some have their highest good in mind and and then others do not. They're a very low vibration, functioning personality, and when we have that we can get all sorts of trouble here in our world that we're in right now, especially when we are working to, to increase or improve the direction we live, or maybe heal something that has been harmed in us, maybe from very young. And when we have that interference then we need to know that that's probably coming from another source. When I'm talking about exorcisms, demons, possessions, obsessions, we're not talking about that kind of thing. That's left to those who are, who wear a stole, who are ordained and have the authority to deal with that side. That's very negative and very harmful. See, a whole lot of it going on in our world today. All you have to do is look at war.

Kathie Malby: 4:41

But the thing is we do get bothered and troubled by other vibrations that don't have our best interest at heart and are trying to triumph over us. There are just those who carry the jealousy, the anger, the bitterness, the frustrations after they leave this earth and then they kind of want to come back and hang around again trying to figure out what they want to do or be, and sometimes it isn't the highest intention for themselves. So when we do figure that out and get it understood that we're being bothered by something because we can't get rid of whatever is troubling us, then we need to look at that. Now, within that second consciousness is also those higher, higher entities. It can be angels, it can be other people that have lived here.

Kathie Malby: 5:49

In the Catholic tradition we would call them saints, but there's all manner of other wonderful beings that are at a higher level that will come to that level that isn't of the earth, it's that second dimension, but they will come there to help not only those on earth but also and we call them spirit guides, and they will also be available for those who are in that second dimension that are working toward moving out of it, to move on for their own spiritual development. So we get all manner of things in that second level and then when you get to the third heaven, it's possible there to heal the ego. William Rand does a beautiful job in talking about that and I found that information very, very helpful when I was doing the teaching here. I found, beginning with page 43 in that red manual, 43 has the first of the traumas that he said can be healed, and all of these contribute to the ego issues that are negative or not. For the best interest of others, our ego will always serve us. It has to, that's my purpose.

Kathie Malby: 7:29

Yeah, this is who I say I am in the world, but sometimes that's to be a bully and to triumph over other people and outdo their ego. So when we're talking about healings that need to take place, the first one that he addresses is healing of the religious trauma. There are people who have been badly, badly damaged by religions, and it doesn't mean any particular one, it can happen anywhere, and it can happen because someone of a lower vibration didn't have someone else's intention for their highest good. And then the second one is on page 49 and it is talking he. There. He addresses the authentic self and that is the part of us that is connected to the divine. That's me, but it's that me that is going to have influence from from the other side for my spirit.

Kathie Malby: 8:38

And then the culturally created self also begins on page 49 and runs over to page 50. And that culturally created self is really where we lose the authentic self in our life when we're very, very young, because there are certain things that we do as a child that need correction, and then there are certain things that only the culture will allow, whether they be good, better and different. This is the way we do it in our family. This is the way we do it in our town, this is the way we do it in our country. You know we have all of those messages, and so by the time a child gets not very old, they pretty well pushed down anything that was their authentic self, because to express that might be in opposition to what the cultural pieces should be according to our families.

Blaire Stanislao: 9:31

So in scientific terms, they talk about that as the first seven years which I've heard lots of. I've heard several ideas around this age. You know, the long time ago was. You know, they start, the kids started working about that time because by then they had they had kind of beat out of them this authentic self or time. On the spiritual part. Of course, their brains are developing so they're better able to be present in the world.

Blaire Stanislao: 9:57

But I can't remember who or where, what I heard, but I heard somebody who was involved. I think it was education. Either that was education or was religion, where there was a suggestion that you need to get them by seven because if you don't get them by seven then you can't brainwash them. Basically, that's what it is. I mean it's. It is a to a degree it's like brainwashing, but it's. It's really just us learning to develop our egos for this place there's a reason why we have our, our methods right, Like we're protecting ourselves and we're surviving and playing our role and so forth. But I found it really interesting that somebody it was somebody who was higher up, it was either education or religion and they were like you know, you have to get them by seven if you get them by seven and they're on par, and they're going to be on par with us on this, this facade right For the rest of their life. But if you don't do it before seven, then you don't get them.

Kathie Malby: 10:57

Yes, and so we stay in what Richard Rohr would refer to as first half of life thinking, you know, and then the. That was the third one. The fourth area of healing that is needed is in the it's, in the dormant, unhealed parts that would be in the authentic self, those those things that have been dormant because of many things, including the culture. It doesn't have to be just the culture, there can be other extenuating things that happen. But then the fifth one is the healing of the ego, and he has that on page 52.

Kathie Malby: 11:45

What I found interesting with this manual, this text, is that he addresses these five areas, which is very, very much the psychology of this spirituality that he says that the holy fire, three Reiki, will heal. And I don't have any doubt about that myself, because I know in just any kind of energy healing we do when the best interest of that person is at work and that person is seeking. That's the setup for, yes, this can happen. Sometimes it takes a lot of work and sometimes it's staying with it for a while, but it will happen. It will happen and it can happen exponentially for the person who, as they want to develop.

Blaire Stanislao: 12:37

Yeah, I actually was working on that. Today. I had a healing session and of course, I've had trouble with my thyroid for a long time, probably longer than I was recognized by doctors and so forth. But probably did the session on that, and it was, I would say. What we pulled out of it was that it was dormant, unhealed energy.

Kathie Malby: 12:56

They use the term like ancestors, right, yes, yes because we're talking here in our own lives, in our own personalities. Lives, lives in between, lives. Now, I mean, I think about all of the I'm doing kind of a memoir at this time in my writing and it's based in location. That was the only thing I was going to write about and then this thing happened. That's writing for me, but it's all of these sort of lives I've lived in this life, not separate from what I'm talking about in where I am, but my growth, my development, that I'm different. I'm just not the same person I was when I was in my 20s, nor in my 30s, 40s, Because a lot of things have happened and I have changed and in that process, in that, I have become who I am today, and there's been a lot of healing. There's still a lot of healing to go and I'm going to be able to complete it in this lifetime, but a lot of it has been taken care of. And then there are these pieces that come from who knows where. It seemed to show up in all families. I'm from a family of 11 kids. Here's all of these people in the same family, raised by the same parents, but those parents grew and changed too. Each one of us got a different set of parents, but we don't think about that. We just think of their parents. I raised four and they're so different. Who gave them permission to be that different? That makes it hard on a parent. We have all of that past life stuff, but some of it probably comes through the DNA, especially when we're looking at diseases that doesn't seem to be any reason for it in that family, or when it's mental illness and you'll think well, uncle Joe and great grandpa and whoever had that too, what happened In the Old Testament?

Kathie Malby: 15:24

Or in the Hebrew Scriptures? I should say there's talk of curses. We know about curses. We know that those can be enacted in such a way that spiritually it can compromise a person. If you go back in time in the Scriptures they'll talk about to the seventh generation. There can be this thing that hangs on for a long time. There's something magical about that number seven.

Kathie Malby: 15:56

There is there's a lot actually you can find symbolism on that like crazy. I know this much.

Blaire Stanislao: 16:06

I think the key thing here is that it's significant. That's all that matters. I don't even think the actual number matters, because when I've done ancestral work, either for myself or for a client, you can ask numbers, but to me it's almost like asking a name. Does it really matter what the name of the thing is? It doesn't really matter, it just matters that it's there and you want to deal with it.

Kathie Malby: 16:29

That's what we're finding. In addition to knowing these things that he writes about, we also know that there's these other extenuating things that happen. You get one area of your life that seems to be like working okay and then all of a sudden it flares again. How come? Well, maybe you brought that with you somewhere, or maybe it got sent to you from someone Don't know. I read something not too long ago where it said when you deal with your own ancestral issues your mind, when I do then the whole line gets healed in that area.

Blaire Stanislao: 17:15

Oh, yeah, yes, I've seen that as a matter of fact in the last two years when I've been doing this kind of work. I was working on that myself before my mother died. I had been working for not quite a year, I don't think, I don't remember exactly, but trying to prepare myself for that because I didn't want to have the same situation happened to me. That had happened to me when my husband died. It was really really interesting having that come up. We would work on something and some new information would come to light. Maybe we would get some information on ancestors or whatever the case may be. She kept saying that. She kept saying, if you work on healing this, you're not just healing it for your own good, for yourself, you're healing for all your ancestors and you're also healing for the people below you, right, Like the ones coming. Yeah, my daughter. I think the thing that was most amazing was we were talking about female things. But the thing that was most amazing is when we do that work, you kind of pull out what's the thinking behind it or what are the ideas or energies behind this problem that you're dealing with. When you start to see what those thoughts or those practices or whatever they are. When you really start to see them, then you start to recognize oh yeah, I've been doing that and I don't really have to do that. I mean, I can remember teaching my daughter For me, the most poignant one, pointy one, was it was like a need to defend which actually comes from my father's side, but so I encouraged her to stand up for herself whenever that I did not necessarily encourage and had to do with females.

Blaire Stanislao: 19:01

I did not necessarily encourage my son in the same way, because I felt like the experience of male and female is not even it's very different. Yes, Given the fact that she's female, I wanted her to be able to stand up for herself. I've always encouraged her to do that Through these conversations. I reckon that's not necessarily the healthiest expression of a female energy, but it was something that I had encouraged, that I had taken on from my lineage, Specifically the females. But when we did the ancestor work, it was like oh, this is also on your masculine side. They needed to defend themselves. So it was a misuse of that masculine energy. Yeah, yeah, Cool, it is cool, it feels really good when you feel like you've healed it, which is not like a party, it's not like, boom, it's there. Although it can be, I guess it's not always like that. It's more of a subtle thing where the next time you run into that experience that triggered it, it's not there. Yeah, it's very quiet, it's a freedom.

Kathie Malby: 20:13

Yeah, and that's nice yeah.

Blaire Stanislao: 20:17

I'm still waiting for that on the thyroid, because we did quite a bit of work today and I actually it was actually for me it was a little disorienting and she said that came from the ancestral work. But yeah, I've never had it. Actually, I've never had energy like that, I've never felt disoriented, but she was like calling in the ancestors and we were healing that part of it. It was quite involved, I bet it was, I bet it was.

Kathie Malby: 20:49

Do you write this, do you record this? Do you have it?

Blaire Stanislao: 20:54

somewhere. Oh, you're talking about the healing that I just did. No, we don't record it. No, I wish we would, because I would listen to it over and over again. Yeah, because today I was so disoriented that I almost it's not that I couldn't form sentences, but I definitely was not my mind was not where I could actually kind of put the pieces together.

Kathie Malby: 21:16

And, of course, later in the session she said something to that effect, but you know it's interesting because we went to Tai Chi tonight and that happened to my friend Sandy. I think it's something in the air.

Blaire Stanislao: 21:27

And.

Kathie Malby: 21:27

I think the negativity from these wars is really affecting us and is disorienting.

Blaire Stanislao: 21:34

Oh yeah, and I think there's a lot brewing to my husband, who's not into any of this right, does really know, and I think he knows some of it. He doesn't know, he knows it, but he's not really into this, but I can see it brewing within him. Yeah, it's coming out of his mouth. So he's anticipating some, some pretty big changes, which has him a little bit nervous, you know. I mean changes.

Kathie Malby: 21:57

Often times are like that, but yeah, Well, I found it interesting because when I, when I was looking at all of these, you know, all of the other heavens after that are the it's kind of a hierarchy, the way it's written.

Kathie Malby: 22:15

I don't think that's the way it is, but that's the way we can understand it in a, in just a flat way. But these things we have this authentic. The thing that hit me when I was getting the teaching ready was this authentic self that connects me with the divine, moves down through my spirit, and then my spirit influences my soul, which houses the will, the intellect and the emotions, and then that's that. The emotions then are expressed through the ego, not the emotions, but the soul is expressed through that ego. So, depending on what we put inside, that soul will determine how we present ourselves to the world, how we will manifest who we say we are. I found the the process of thinking that kind of cool, because I thought in the reverse is true what I take in through the ego influences the soul, and then it can go back through the spirit and then more information can come through.

Blaire Stanislao: 23:27

That's really interesting because if you take it from an astrological perspective, kind of, what you're describing is you're saying Correct me if I'm wrong, ok, so, but the influences that we kind of pulled into our lives this time when we were born, right, yeah, or whatever reason, affects how we have emotion, how we what did you say for the soul, we the intellect, the will and the the emotions.

Kathie Malby: 23:57

So it's knowledge and powers of choice and decision making.

Blaire Stanislao: 24:05

OK, so all of that can be seen in an astrology chart. You, you see, of course it does come out in personality and you can see that too, which I think we often associate personality with ego. But you definitely see that in astrology where the person will have certain circumstances happen, which is the stuff that we're kind of calling in energetically, and that fact that's what she was telling me with my thyroid was the reason I have to heal this. Is that, well, well, I want to heal my issues with money too. Right, like I want to be, I want to have a better business, I want to have more impact. I and it's not like an ego thing, like I know that I'm meant to do this. I've seen it in my chart, you know this is something I have to do, and I knew that. But she actually said you're not going to be able to do that until you heal this part of you, and she's not the only one who said it.

Blaire Stanislao: 24:58

I got a. I got a hand reading and a psychic, a psychic reading, and it's I don't know. I've seen in my astrology chart. It's like, everywhere I turn, I see it right. So it's there. I know it's there, um, but I have to heal that part. And it's not just my life, it, that's what she said today. It's like it's it's not your life, it's not something you did. Because I'm looking at the, the metaphysical anatomy book and I'm like, ooh, those those sentences talking about thyroid are really like ooh, that's touchy. Like I tried to look at it back in March before I had a uh like a wedding and a funeral and all, and I was like, oh, I don't think I can do that right now.

Blaire Stanislao: 25:34

You know, I just wanted to deal with life but I'm looking at it again and it's like, oh God, that really still is. And I'm thinking, oh, that was, uh, I see the people who were in my life that played those roles, right, but I'm still. I was born out of specific time. We choose to come in. Right, it was born at a specific time.

Blaire Stanislao: 25:53

The information about those trials are in your astrology chart. So it's the same concept where you're pulling in those energies and then it gets expressed through whatever you have as a personality or an ego or what have you. And you're right, it goes both ways. And that's the same thing that, uh, bruce Lipton, dr Bruce Lipton and Greg Braden. And, um, who's the other guy? Oh, joe Dyspenza. They talk about that. So they talk about. Lipton used to be a, or is a, cellular biologist, yes, and he took a stem cell and put it in different petri dishes with different substrate around it, right, and of course they all developed into different mint cells, like muscle cells, um, I don't know whatever the cells are, right, different parts of the body. And um, of course, he was thinking this is when he didn't have any money for his studies or his research and he really recognized it as the environment, right? So then he started to make that connection. Thoughts are our energetic environment.

Kathie Malby: 26:58

They're, they are. They are the energy that will influence the whole Schmere Right.

Blaire Stanislao: 27:07

Which is why, if you get control of those thoughts, you have better control of your life, and that's why meditation or prayer, not necessarily talking to you right, but the prayerful- we're not talking that kind. Yeah, the energy yeah.

Blaire Stanislao: 27:21

Yeah, where you're not when you're not talking and you're in that space, then you allow for the flow. I've heard this all over the place. I know D Patrope talks about it All kinds of people. If you can stop the energy of the thoughts and just go into quiet, then you get back connected with that first part, that authentic self comes back in.

Kathie Malby: 27:51

Yes, they can, and because it has room, then, right, you know what's it's making in the contemplative world. It's making space, and that feels like you're lazy or like you're not doing something, or it's like it's something's got to be there. But making the space then allows for, they would say, the spirit well, to be revealed, to be there, be present, because our authentic self is in the present. It's not past, it's not future, it's the connection we have to our spirit guides, to our God, as we understand him or her or it or whatever.

Blaire Stanislao: 28:50

I think that's what, when people talk about awakening is when you, when you're in that space and you're you finally start to recognize. I think it usually goes a little bit farther than just recognizing what it is, but actually like getting significant information from it. Yes.

Kathie Malby: 29:11

Not not just getting information, it's being open to receiving the pieces that we've asked help for or or that are. You know, I over name over. I tell people I can see the holes in my head. I mean, it's like you know, it's like an aeration kind of thing, and I can see them. But I can't always pull the things out of them that need to come out and I don't always know what needs to go in and that's where. That's where the other side has to help me. They have to because I met their mercy. If otherwise, otherwise I'm open to whatever and I don't want whatever. I want my intentional.

Kathie Malby: 29:57

Yeah, there was another thing that I saw that he had written about. That I thought was pretty cool. Well, I'll put my back on the very first page I had. Oh yeah, I was talking about Holy Fire Reiki. It definitely is different.

Kathie Malby: 30:31

When I, when I first was introduced to Reiki and began doing different, going for different trainings my, my own trainings it wasn't the attunements were the method for for receiving the symbols that we use for for working with Reiki. Holy fire doesn't use attunements, it uses visualizations or or meditations. They call them placements in Reiki one and two and ignitions for master level. So you have Holy fire Reiki. He says that it is Holy fire Reiki. He says that it is a Noticeably more refined comes from a higher level of consciousness. I thought that was interesting because to me energy is energy. I know the energy. Different forms of energy operate at different vibrations and frequencies. That's about as much as I know. I know those words and I can see them in my head. But to say that this comes from a higher level of consciousness, I assume it comes from the highest you know, I find that really interesting the whole.

Blaire Stanislao: 32:11

I had heard about Reiki before they shifted to Holy Fire 3, but I had never really been involved with it. But when I first started learning this it was not right after they had started Holy Fire. They had done Holy Fire 2, but I learned Holy Fire 3. That was the first one that I learned. So that's where we were in the history.

Blaire Stanislao: 32:34

But through the years, as I practice it, I actually got hired by another Reiki practitioner who's very good and very articulate. She's actually quite good at what she does and for some reason I guess I was working on her and I was very young in this I was like I don't know what I'm doing, I'm just going to do what I was taught. We'll see. That's right. Yeah. She asked me are you trained in Holy Fire? And I was like yeah. She's like okay, yeah, I can always tell a difference. It's interesting that even she's pretty sensitive to the energies, but it's interesting that somebody can actually tell a difference. Now I'm going to say if it was me, I would say I would try and describe the physical difference. But that's again, that's not really all of the energy, right, but what I find really interesting about it and this is like I kind of have since I learned anything about Reiki. I kind of thought this and then, as I took the courses, I was like, yeah, I definitely think this.

Blaire Stanislao: 33:39

I think that there are people and this would be backed up by astrology too there are people who, whether it's part of their personality or their circumstances again, this is what they set when they come in as souls, right, that have an inkling towards spirituality, or they have an inkling or they have circumstances or something's happening to make it easier for them to get to that. I think that there are people who do Reiki with their intentions being good and the focus the way that you have to do for Reiki that they actually do Reiki without them being trained in it. I've experienced that. I've had an massage therapist in Louisiana who I didn't know what it was because I hadn't taken the Reiki course yet, but now that I've gone through the process, I now know that that woman was doing Reiki. She didn't know she was doing it, but she was doing it and so and it reminds me of you know, you're correct me if I'm wrong, but you've always been a spiritual person, correct? Oh, yes, okay.

Blaire Stanislao: 34:42

So I kind of wonder if people who are inclined to be spiritual can naturally pull this gift in because it is from the divine, it is directly from source, very similar to Holy Fire. Basically, it's the same thing, right? I think people that can actually pull that in. They don't necessarily have a name for it, they don't necessarily know what they're doing with it, but usually those people you're not battling, the intentions being bad, right, people who are focused like that, their intention is good, which is an alignment with Reiki, which causes it to come in more.

Kathie Malby: 35:17

It's always healing. Yeah, it's the highest good of the other, always. I can't ever think of a time it hasn't been. I guess I'm not even sure that it's always Reiki that we operate from.

Kathie Malby: 35:31

But there is a higher power, a higher strength, a higher energy, and I think that can manifest in many ways. Reiki is one word and Reiki there are different. I've done some of the research on the different kinds of Reiki. There seems to be five major groups of Reiki and then out of there there can be, I think, as many as about 30 other schools of Reiki thought, and I think that we can call them all Reiki. But I think that there are different levels of frequency and energy and depending on the practitioner, on what the practitioner on that given day who is doing the healing work for that person, if they're a little off, the energy may not have its strength that would ordinarily have.

Kathie Malby: 36:33

Reiki is going to go where it's going to go. The Holy Spirit is going to go where it's going to go. Healing prayer is going to go where it's going to go. It knows, but I also know that it's coming through us and so some of that gets hampered because it's coming through the human person. What I find amazing about this energy and it's so profound is that it trusts us. You know we don't trust very well, we don't trust other people, we don't trust ourselves, we don't trust, but that energy, once it's, once we've been open to receiving it. It trusts us to use it for good. It trusts us. How come? I find that just mind blowing.

Kathie Malby: 37:28

I think it goes back to what that is certainly otherly.

Blaire Stanislao: 37:34

Yeah, but I think it still goes back to being, you know, the oneness. Okay, in the sense that if we're all part of each other, right, like we're not, it's not like there's this other person that's not connected to me. This other person is also part of me, it's just a different part that I don't physically experience. If that's the case, it's like when we do this work, you know, trying to you don't really need to convince anybody because it's never an issue.

Blaire Stanislao: 38:08

But when you're working with other people and the intention is not there for your best good, it's not the same as working with yourself, because there is absolutely no room for you to say I think I want to do this bad thing to myself, Right, like, it doesn't work like that. Nobody does that. Nobody says I think I'm going to do this thing with God, all this trouble and you know, no, your intentions for yourself are the most pure and honest and truthful and it's the closest connection that I think we can find. If you ask your heart, what you're doing is you're asking that part of you that you're talking about that comes through right, the authentic self. You ask the authentic self. You're always going to get a loving answer right, absolutely. So it has to be that way. Yeah, so it has to trust us, because we know that we're doing the best we can, right?

Kathie Malby: 39:07

Yes, I know, but I still find it mind blowing that we are trusted as much as we are, not only for ourselves but for others. I had heard a story I thought was so crazy. But someone was angry with a neighbor and the neighbor that she had a friend who had learned Reiki, had gone to Reiki training I think I learned this in one of my first Reiki classes, reiki trainings and the lady that was angry with her neighbor wanted this Reiki person to send bad juju to this person. I mean totally not understanding what Reiki is, but that's that low vibration thinking and that intention that is not for others highest good and thinking that it can be manipulated into causing harm for another, which is sad.

Blaire Stanislao: 40:14

It is. But it is interesting because I can remember being in college. I wasn't particularly religious, but it's not that I wasn't exposed to religion, it just wasn't presented to me as the only option. So I go off to college and you encounter all different kinds of people and I can remember being in the room with my roommate and she said Blair, do you pray? So my ego got a little offended because I was like I cannot believe you're asking me if I pray. So I just answered it kind of probably a little bit smart of you.

Blaire Stanislao: 40:47

But it was late night, lights were out there and she said would you pray for? And I don't remember what it was, but it was some stuff that she wanted, Right, yeah. It was like she was trying to convince me about what she was getting or what she was asking for was the best for her, Right, yeah. And I at that age, I was 17, at that age I was me and my ego were kind of appalled because I was like so you're going to tell God what it is that you need. That's the best thing I know. But that's a difference between that talking prayer that we were renting and being open, Right, yes.

Kathie Malby: 41:32

Yes, very, very funny, but people do them all the time they do and we teach.

Blaire Stanislao: 41:41

I think as a society we teach people to do that. We'll pray for that. That's like common things. We'll pray for this thing. We'll pray for them Like the highest good. You know, I don't think there's words.

Kathie Malby: 41:54

I know, yeah, it doesn't have to be. You know, one of the ways I teach prayer is about my heart, my heart right here in my chest and in my mind. There are little tiny slits in my heart all over and their little mailboxes and places to put, and what I put there then is that person's name that I'm praying for, and so every so often throughout the day, I just tap my heart, knowing that I'm praying for that person. I don't have to say anything, I don't have to do anything, I don't have to tell God what to do.

Kathie Malby: 42:34

I don't have to tell that person what to do. I just give it a slap and I'm reminded. My body is reminded. We're praying, we're not just saying those words. I'll pray for you. I am praying, but I'm not directing the prayer, I'm not in charge. You're still learning that, blair. That's like an ego that big.

Blaire Stanislao: 43:04

Well, I don't think it's all that in common. I think it's really common to be like that. I think we do teach each other that. I mean that happens normal in this first heaven. I mean, our first dimensions is definitely something that we learn. Yeah, yes, thanks for listening to this episode of Mystical and Infamous podcast with the Happy Lion Center. We have requests for topic discussions, questions and comments to podcast at happylioncentercom. Thanks for listening to this podcast at happylioncentercom.